For some families, holidays bring out their toughest dynamics. How do divorced parents manage a blended holiday putting their kids first? What if you have a house of angry teenagers with one of them recently in crisis? Is it possible to enjoy your holiday at home when all they want to do is fight? On a lighter note, what secrets does Gilligan’s Island hold for every quarantined family?
We’ll answer that question in this week’s episode of Flusterclux with Lynn Lyons, the show for real talk about worry and other big feelings in parenting.
For some families, holidays bring out their toughest dynamics. How do divorced parents manage a blended holiday putting their kids first? What if you have a house of angry teenagers with one of them recently in crisis? Is it possible to enjoy your holiday at home when all they want to do is fight?
On a lighter note, what secrets does Gilligan’s Island hold for every quarantined family?
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Lynn Lyons 0:36
Hi, I’m Lynn Lyons. I’m an anxiety expert, speaker, Mom and author. I’ve been a therapist for 30 years.
Robin Hutson 0:42
You’re here because your family has some anxiety issues, or you want to prevent them. I’m your co-host and Lynn’s sister in law, Robin, and I’m here to ask your questions.
Lynn Lyons 0:51
Parenting can be a Flusterclux, and I’ll help you find your way.
Robin Hutson 0:57
So, Lynn, I can’t believe it’s almost 2021 .Are you excited for our first Flusterclux course?
Lynn Lyons 1:02
I am. Because I think if there was ever a time when we needed an anxiety audit, this would be the time. What we really need to do is we really need to reset because 2020, it took the stuffing out of us. It really brought to the surface a lot of patterns of anxiety and worry that we need to just look at and we need to reboot.
Robin Hutson 1:23
Can you say universally that there was just this heightened experience of anxiety that manifested in a variety of ways this year?
Lynn Lyons 1:31
I think just the general level of worry in parents and not only worried about things that were actually happening, but even worrying about what was going to happen. It’s sort of funny, even kids that were doing really well and managing Okay, parents were still so worried about what was going to happen. And I think that constant level of stress and that constant level of not so great emotional rumination and worrying and trying to stay ahead of everything. I think it’s been exhausting for people.
Robin Hutson 2:04
Who do you think that the anxiety audit is best for?
Lynn Lyons 2:07
I think really all parents, I don’t know that any of us got through 2020 without developing or even exacerbating some really common patterns that set us up for worry and anxiety.
Robin Hutson 2:20
Like ruminating and the language that we use?
Lynn Lyons 2:25
Yeah, all of that ruminating, catastrophizing, global language, that feeling of overwhelmed that so many of us experienced.
Robin Hutson 2:34
So, as you go through all of these things, you also share with us how we pivot from the patterns we recognize in ourselves.
Lynn Lyons 2:41
Yeah, and sometimes it’s just even hard to recognize the patterns. So, the goal is for me to go through these patterns and say, maybe we’re doing this or this or this, or this. Here’s the way out. Here’s what we need to do to pivot away from these patterns, just so that you can get your feet back under you. This has gone on for so long now that I’m afraid that some of the patterns that felt really different back in March and April have really become almost normal, they’ve almost become habitual, we need to get in there, we need to take the exit off the worry highway.
Robin Hutson 3:15
And for people who don’t want to follow through the course on their own. You’re going to be offering this as a virtual workshop on January 23rd.
Lynn Lyons 3:23
Yeah, so a virtual walkthrough with me live with me answering questions, pointing out the patterns really giving you as I always try and do concrete stuff to do so that we can shift out of this and start looking ahead, this is not going to last forever. 2020 is going to be done. 2021 is going to start a little rocky, I think but we need to look ahead and we need to make sure we’re interrupting those patterns. So, the difference between taking the course by yourself and during the virtual event is that you have the opportunity to go through it and ask you questions along the way. Exactly. And some people just like that live experience, you’ll be talking to me in a way that’s different than if you’re watching something that’s recorded.
Robin Hutson 4:09
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I have the first question here.
Lynn Lyons 4:34
All right, I’m ready.
Robin Hutson 4:35
My husband and his ex-wife have a parenting plan that outlines schedules around the holidays that are all very clear. The problem is that his ex-wife constantly interferes in all that we do when we have the children. She sends him text messages every day dictating what he can or cannot do and has already been told by the parenting coordinator to not interfere with his time she makes a normal visitation we can difficult but longer periods of time are extremely easy. stressful my husband’s boys are nine and 12.
And signs of anxiety they show or nail biting and the oldest to the point of bleeding and in his youngest puking before their mom picks them up their youngest will also complain of leg pain. After he gets off the phone with his mom, they will both wake up in the middle of the night with awful night terrors as well. Their mom will call in the evening to say good night, but we’ll ask them to close the door. And we’ll basically interrogate them to find out what they’ve been doing with us. They are both wonderful boys, and my 11 year old son gets along with them fabulously, I just need advice on what we can do to help support them and make their time with us anxiety free.
Lynn Lyons 5:35
This is the challenge of not only blended families in general, but during this holiday time, because there’s so much riding on making it a special time. And I think actually, the first thing I will talk about is the last sentence of this mom’s question, I just need advice on what we can do to help support them and make their time with us anxiety free, so that setting an awful high bar, that they’re not going to have any anxiety that if this is a difficult relationship between their mom and their dad, if there are really cleared out plans, if there’s a parenting coordinator involved, it doesn’t sound like that this has been smooth in a lot of ways.
And so now thinking that during the holidays, you’re going to make it anxiety free. That’s probably too much to expect. But here’s what I really do think that you can think about the holidays, we want to be a special time. And we want to let kids enjoy it, we want to be able to see it through their eyes and let them have all the fun and all the excitement and all the closeness that we all imagine during the holidays, your job.
And their dad’s job during this time, is to really make sure that you are paying attention to the way these boys feel in terms of divided loyalty. Now, this is something that can happen because families do it very blatantly right. So, there are some families where the parents really talk about taking sides with the kids. And they really make that clear that that’s their intent, and that that’s their desire for their children to pick one parent over the other.
But I think probably what’s more likely happening in this situation is that it hasn’t been something that’s been in purposely stated. But it’s something that the kids can pick up on. And most kids can pick up on this because their parents got divorced. And they’ve had to make a lot of adjustments, and they’ve had to make a lot of changes.
So, I would be really careful in recognizing that even if you’re doing everything right. And even if their mom is doing everything wrong, which I doubt that it’s that clear cut, actually, because I’ve been a therapist for 30 years, even if it’s that clear cut, they still are feeling torn, and the stress that they feel it and I talked to a lot of parents about this, the stress that their child when they’re making a transition may not have to do with where they’re going or who they’re leaving, but the fact that they’re going and that they’re leaving.
So, it’s not that they’re upset that they have to go with their mom, or they’re upset that they have to say goodbye to their dad, they’re upset because they have to leave. And they have to go. And they have to make these transitions back and forth, being able to talk to kids, sometimes in a direct way. And sometimes just making sure that the message is given you know, it’s sort of in the ether is that transitions are hard, and that their mom loves them and their dad loves them and you love them. And their stepbrother loves them.
But it really is asking a lot of a 9 and a 12 year old to be able to navigate this in a really smooth way. So put the emphasis not on what mom is doing. But really validating for these boys, that this is really hard emotionally, going back and forth. And that it doesn’t seem as clear cut as you’d like it to be right so that there’s clear instructions, and there’s clear limits. And when she has them, she has them, and when Dad has them, Dad has them. For them. It’s much more combined for them. It’s much more complicated for them.
So, this idea of loyalty, this idea of needing to choose. And this idea of needing to separate are all things that really contribute to kids’ emotional distress or anxiety or worry during this time. So, the message you want to give to them is whether you’re going somewhere or coming back from somewhere, whether you’re saying hello or goodbye all the hellos, and all of the goodbyes are emotionally loaded.
And so, we know that there’s going to be some strong feelings. And I’m talking about hellos and goodbyes on the phone. I’m talking about hellos and goodbyes in anticipation of pickups, and anticipation of leaving in anticipation of going in anticipation of coming back. All of that stuff is complicated.
Don’t make it about who’s doing the bad things, and who’s doing the good things. be really, really careful about your language. And recognize, too, that kids in these types of situations, listen very closely to what the grownups are saying, even when you think they’re not listening, their ears are really tuned in to what’s going on between their parents.
So that would be the advice that I would give you really validate it, really make room for it, and make sure that you and your husband are not having conversations that they are possibly hearing, they’ve clearly been through a lot with this, it doesn’t sound like it’s a very good relationship between these exes, that’s enormously stressful for kids, make sure that you are doing everything you can to make these transitions as smooth as possible. It’s the hellos and goodbyes that are causing them such distress.
That’s a normal part of what happens when you’re put between two parents that love you, but don’t love each other. It’s really about making sure the adults are stepping up their game, and really paying attention to the messages you’re giving. You can’t do anything about the messages that their mom is giving, of course, but really, you and your husband really pay attention to that and really validate it so that they don’t have to feel like they have to act a certain way, or not say certain things or not do certain things when they’re in one house or the other,
Robin Hutson 11:51
If not necessarily with this family situation. but when we’re talking about blended families, and especially divorces that were not so smooth. If the stepmom was like, “You know what, we’re going to bake a lot of cookies. And I want you to take these home to your mom as a nice thing.” Even if you just feel nothing towards that woman if she feels acknowledged and valued and is modeled that with her kids. If a stepmom did stuff like that, could you sort of turn it around a little bit?
Lynn Lyons 12:36
Yeah, I think that showing your children that there is a connection that you acknowledge the mom that you are, well, what you’re doing is you’re saying to these boys, I know you love your mommy.
Robin Hutson 12:53
Right? And your mother’s important.
Lynn Lyons 12:55
And your mother isn’t… Yes.
Robin Hutson 12:56
And she’s part of our family. Yes. And your family, even though she’s not here. I just feel like those kind of actions are very powerful. I was a, I was a child of divorced parents. And I did get shuffled back and forth. This is taking me back to what you were saying this I feel like I was like a little four year old again. Yeah, you feel like as a child, it’s your job to show loyalty to whoever you’re with in that moment, right? Probably survival instinct. Yeah.
Lynn Lyons 13:24
And I think you know; the word loyalty is really the powerful word in this. Because children should not be asked to show more loyalty to one parent or another. But you’re exactly right is that they’ll be loyal to whoever they’re with.
One of the things that happens to a lot of times in blended families is that when a child is with one parent, they’ll throw the other parent under the bus. And then when they go back to the other house, they’ll throw the other parent under the bus, because they’re just trying to stay connected to the parent that they’re with. And not only that, but they have a lot of conflicting feelings about the way that parents are dealing with each other.
Maybe if there’s a new relationship, there’s just so much going on for these kids internally. That’s a wonderful idea. Robin is to say, you know, the stepmom says, “I am going to help you stay connected to your mom in a healthy way while you’re with us.”
Mom, you think about this the stepmom if you think about this, I’m going to help you stay connected to your mom in a healthy way. What would that look like for you, stepmom? What would you have to do to pull that off? That gesture and that language can really help kids feel okay with the conflict that they feel inside. I love that idea.
This is what happens. Right? Think like the mom calls and then they close the door. And the mom interrogates them. It’s all sort of like, you know, which camp are you in? How do we blend it so that they can, they can be with their mom and dad positively and healthfully when they’re not with their mom or when they’re not with their dad? How do we how do we make that happen?
Robin Hutson 15:10
Well, the other thing is the stepmom has the opportunity, she was not a member of the divorce party, right, she was neither the ex-wife nor the husband who has much deeper injury from what was incredibly stressful. If she really wants to lead, she can lead and put her feelings aside to the ex-wife and really create something moment by moment a little better for the boys and I just have a really hard time believing that wouldn’t eventually have an impact on all of their relationships.
As you say that I have such ownership of the throwing under the bus loyalty challenge, starting from that period now, and carrying that with me, like I probably have still done that as an adult in certain circumstances, because it was so ingrained in me,
Lynn Lyons 16:01
But you’re right, that’s a survival instinct. I need to be connected to the person I’m with, because that’s the person right now who I’m dependent upon. And I think oftentimes, the more conflicted the relationship is, the more that kids do that, because it feels so tenuous to them.
Robin Hutson 16:17
So, Lynn, here’s a listener question.
And she writes, “I’m dreading the holidays with my two kids at home for two weeks, my 17 year old son really hates his 13 year old sister right now. And any family time is awful. My daughter has caused a huge amount of upset drama and fear recently, as a result of her mental health. She took an overdose in September, and her brother is very angry at her for all the anxiety and disruption she has caused the family as a result, she has frequent meltdowns. We have no other family around us. And we will be totally alone for the holidays, just the four of us. How do I keep the home calm and peaceful and enjoy Christmas? With all this stress and upset? How do we do things as a family without world war three breaking out? Help?”
Lynn Lyons 17:07
Oh, so this would be this is a really tough situation if everything else in the world were going fabulously. So, Mom, I am empathizing with you that you’ve got a daughter who’s really struggling, and you’ve got a teenage son who’s trying to figure out how to manage all that. And then you as a parent are sort of feeling like you’re in between all of this, and you’re feeling so responsible.
So, there are a few thoughts that I have. One is that when I hear in the question that you say, how do I keep the home calm and peaceful and enjoy Christmas with all this stress and upset, I think that you’re setting the bar really high. That if you think your goal is to keep things calm and peaceful, and I’m wondering if you can come up with another criteria, that you are going to help everybody get through this in a way in which there is as little hurt and emotional destruction as possible.
Now that’s setting the bar lower. But I think even if you can just say to yourself, my goal is to get through this in a way where we are not experiencing a crisis, where we’re able to coexist, where we’re able to have some moments of hanging out and doing Christmas family things, I think that’s going to feel far less stressful to you then saying your job is to keep things calm and peaceful. So that’s the first thing because that’s an awful lot to ask of you.
The other thing to really is, okay, you say the four of us. So that means that I’m assuming that’s two parents and two kids, it’s really okay for you to divide and conquer during this, you guys don’t have to be a foursome all together. And it may be an opportunity for one parent to go and do things with one child and the other parent to go and do things with the other child.
So, this idea that the four of you have to be a unit for these two weeks, I think is also setting the bar really high, it is okay for people to spend time alone during this. And so, if your daughter wants to go off and do something, you know, be off in her room for a while if your son wants to go off and be by himself, allow that to happen to so that you can come together as a family and then you can have breaks to you can have some privacy.
So, time alone is really, really okay. And it actually is probably pretty important. The other thing that I would do is that I would talk to your kids about this beforehand, and it may be helpful to talk to them individually with your 13 year old and then sit down with your 17 year old and if you feel like you can do it together. That’s okay too. But again, it’s okay to do it separately and to say I know No, we’ve been through so much. This has been really, really hard. And as we’re going into this, you know, holiday and we’re going to be together for a break, let’s, let’s just talk very openly about how challenging this might be. And let’s think about what I can do to help you, and maybe what you can do to help us right so that it’s not feeling like you’re totally focusing on the 13 year old and that she’s the one who’s the problem, because that often happens in families.
So, talk to her about what she thinks might be helpful, and write those things down. And I would have the same conversation with your 17 year old, there has got to be a lot of empathy, and a lot of validating how tricky this feels. And it really is okay for you to say, let’s figure out how to get through this, let’s talk about what might help, I think it’s really important to just talk about it very openly.
And then the last thing I’m going to say, and this is not something that you can do right now, but if you haven’t taken advantage of a really good family therapist, I would highly recommend that. And what a lot of people don’t know is that there are people who do individual therapy, there are people who you know, work with couples and that kind of stuff. But there are people who really specialize in working with families, you can in your training, you can get your license in what’s called Marriage and Family Therapy.
So, somebody is referred to as an MFT. And if you haven’t done that yet, and if you haven’t looked for that as a resource going forward, that may be something you don’t know about. But it would be something that sounds like it would be really, really important.
Because the language that you’re using to talk about this problem is so powerful, there’s chaos, there’s crisis, there’s drama, there’s hatred, a really good family therapist would be able to sort of help you guys navigate how you heal from what’s been going on through all of this
Robin Hutson 21:56
When I hear your advice, and I sort of imagine what it’s like to be in the room with her two children, her 17 year old and her 13 year old, individual moments of connection can be very powerful and the most realistic.
Lynn Lyons 22:11
Yeah. Because you can imagine, right? So, mom goes into this. And she thinks, all right, I want us all to have a Christmas brunch, where we’re all sitting together. And we’re opening our presents. And we’re feeling very connected, right?
And of course, this mom, because all of these pictures of families getting along and everything going swell are all around us right now. She’s probably feeling very pressured to make that happen. And also feeling pretty anxious going into this that oh my gosh, I don’t want things to go badly, you know, I have to make them go.
Well, the other thing too, is moments of connection can happen very spontaneously. And they can also be around things that you don’t really expect. You know, like, there might be a moment of connection that we see where everybody’s standing around the piano and somebody’s playing Christmas carols and you’re singing, right, and everybody’s like, Oh, right. Okay. I bet that’s not gonna happen.
Robin Hutson 23:14
Right? The real connection happens when you’re folding laundry.
Lynn Lyons 23:17
Robin Hutson 23:17
And starting to laugh about something. Yes,
Lynn Lyons 23:19
That’s what I’m talking about those spontaneous moments of connection, like you say, folding laundry or after dinner, or you’re watching a show. The thing about connection and the thing about kids that are struggling, particularly teenagers, and I’ve said this before, and I’ll say it again, when we ask teenagers, what they’re looking for from their parents. They want you to keep trying, they want to have moments of connection that are small, right?
They don’t want to stand around the piano and sing Christmas carols. But say you’re going out to do something, just keep asking. And it’s really okay. If they say no, I don’t want to do that. The cool thing about it is that they notice that you asked, and that’s something I think that parents don’t realize with teenagers, is that if you say hey, I’m going to run to the store, do you want to come with me? Or do you need me to pick anything up for you?
They may say, No, no, I don’t want to come. But they know that you just asked for their company. And sometimes that is the best that we can do in the moment. And that kind of reaching out and saying, I hear you I know you’re here. I’m asking for your company can really make a difference.
Robin Hutson 24:35
If a parent wants to connect with a teen who’s not that interested in connecting at the moment? Is there the right way or the wrong way to ask for a hug? Like, Is it wrong to say, I really need a hug as a parent? Because then it’s like, I need you to caretake for me and give me a hug or do you need to say can I offer you a hug like can you put your own needs for physical connection That,
Lynn Lyons 25:00
yeah, I think I would probably stay away from the word need. Right? Like, I really need a hug right now, because then that feels that does up the ante. And you could say like, Oh, I would love a hug from you right.
Now the other thing too, though, that can work well, particularly with teenagers that are feeling you know that they’re sort of prickly for whatever reason is small, walk by, rub them on the back, give them a little squeeze on the shoulder.
And lots of times when people are angry, it’s sort of like they, they’re giving off this energy of stay away, stay away, stay away. And it really is okay for you to sort of pierce that force field with a little bit of physical affection. And you know, some families are not hugging families, some families don’t do that.
But it really is okay in most families to walk by and just sort of rub your son on his back or toss his hair a little bit. And you can ask, you could say, Can I give you a hug right now, or who’s up for a hug or something like that, but really looking for that little spontaneous physical connection is really nice, too.
You know, one of the things just to pay attention to also is lots of times, kids will throw something out and that they’re interested in. And it may not be something that you’re not interested in, but ask a follow up question to it. Have a conversation? It’s not gonna may not be a long in depth 10 minute conversation. But if they say like, oh, did you hear that, blah, blah, blah, or I saw that’s, that’s so and so did blah, blah, blah. Listen, for those moments to just say, what Tell me more about that. Or Gosh, that’s, that’s kind of weird, or I had no idea.
So, look, for those moments to spontaneously connect, it’s a lot less pressure than saying, we need to have this this holiday vacation where things are calm and peaceful. We need to have this holiday vacation, where we are going to look for moments of connection and find them. And I again, I would just talk about it ahead of time, I would lay it out on the table, this has been a rough go for us. I know there’s a lot of tension. And don’t say I know there’s a lot of tension. And I just want the holidays to be calm and peaceful. Say I know there’s been a lot of tension. So, let’s find small ways for us to connect.
Robin Hutson 27:19
Yeah, when you said that it made me think also, some family cultures try and sweep the hard stuff under the rug. If you don’t acknowledge that you all are having that hard time it will make it harder, right. like trying to put a rosy picture on this is ultimately going to just… especially for teenagers. I always feel like teenagers’ anger comes from their own bullshit detectors. Right?
Lynn Lyons 27:42
Oh, sure. Yeah.
Robin Hutson 27:43
So, if you’re around a teen and the family has been through a lot, like you all clearly have, if you’re denying that in any way, or like not acknowledging that truth, they’re just going to, you know, they’re going to give it to you.
Lynn Lyons 27:56
Yep, it’s that validation. Of course, you feel that way. There’s this great New Yorker cartoon from years and years ago, where a husband and wife are sitting in the living room. And they’re… he’s reading a book and she’s looking at the newspaper, and there is a like an oriental rug like, and there’s just this huge pile, it’s like there’s an elephant under the carpet. And you know that the message is they’ve just been sitting here sweeping things under the rug. So, thinking about that, and just being open about it, and just acknowledging it, just saying this is this is going to be tricky. We know that things feel really intense right now. And we’re going to be all together. So, let’s figure that out.
Robin Hutson 28:30
So, the holiday week is upon us. And we just thought we would continue to share some of the things that we’re doing to celebrate Christmas. And we’ve talked about this a lot over the last few episodes, because you know, Lynn, as you know, I’m like a big holiday person in the family. I love hosting and can’t really do that this year.
And you said this in the summer fun episode that I really love. And I think it’s such an important emphasis. Parents need to share their tips and strategies; you don’t get extra credit. If it was your idea. You just do it. So, if one parent has a great idea, copy it, man. We need all the help we can get.
So here are a couple more ideas of how we’re celebrating the holidays. We have family all over the world. Yes. And we decided to have our first annual ‘Twas the Night Before Christmas reading. And we divided up the poem among all of the family, there are 25 of us around the globe. And I’m editing that film right now. And so that’s a really fun way to have the little cousins participate in something and you know, have family that you don’t typically see very often participate. And I think that it’s a really nice way to not that we want to commemorate 2020 so much, but it’s just a reminder that we are all part of a bigger family than who were stuck with every day.
Lynn Lyons 29:47
Just to be clear, So Robin came up with this idea and it really is so great. We all got a picture of the poem. Every family member has a few lines to say and then we all have to make our individual videos, and then Robin’s putting them all together as a movie. And none of us know what the other people are doing. So, it’s going to be a big surprise. So much fun.
So, I was out snowshoeing this morning with my best pal in the blue sky. And it was incredibly beautiful. I actually hadn’t been out of the house. And she told me about this thing that they are doing for the grandmother in the family. And I forget what it’s called, I can get the exact name from her. But there’s this frame. It’s like a digital frame. But it’s separate from your computer.
It’s, you know, it looks like a picture frame, you plug it in, and everybody gets the link to it. And you just send your Christmas pictures to the link during the day. So, you take a picture, you send it to Nana’s frame, and she’s there and just sitting and watching these pictures come in in real time of people celebrating and it creates this slideshow that she can enjoy watching her grandchildren and people all around. And so, she feels like she’s a part of the celebration. I thought that was such a great idea.
Robin Hutson 31:02
That is a great idea. I know the frame you’re talking about. Yeah, yeah. I’ll try and put a link to it in the show notes. Because it definitely makes sense in this time.
My family of four we have been quarantined together for a very long time. And we have a pretty monotonous day by day existence with all of us remote, I felt like for Christmas, one of the things that I’m doing is that I am surprising them because there’s not a lot of surprise in our lives these days.
So, they are all getting a note slipped under their door one morning. And I don’t know which morning it’s going to be yet. But it’s going to tell them to come downstairs for a party and it’s fancy dress and they can interpret fancy dress however they like. And they will be a winner for the best fancy dressed. And we haven’t you know, been out of sweats, you know, with like our quarantine clothing in a long time either.
So, the idea is that and then I’m covering our coffee table in front of our television with all this really nice party food that I’m serving for us. So, it’s just meant to be something different. And you know, maybe they’re gonna look at me and eye roll it. It’s not gonna work, but I feel like just the I think it’s going to work. I think we’re all pretty effing desperate right now. for something.
Lynn Lyons 32:21
So, as you’re describing this, the reason that you’re hearing me laugh in the background is that my husband watches old TV shows a lot, and he’s been watching Gilligan’s Island recently.
So, as you’re talking about this, it’s reminding me of Gilligan’s Island, because they used to have like it was one episode recently where they had a beauty pageant, and of course, the only seven people on the island, and it just reminded me of that. But you know what, I think that they probably felt as desperate as you feel right now, right? You’re just you’re just in your own little Gilligan’s Island and you’re like, screw it. We’re throwing a party.
Robin Hutson 32:57
How have we not discussed the fact that Gilligan’s Island is the ultimate pandemic guide for families.
Lynn Lyons 33:04
They did this shit all the time. They like came up with these events. Like they would have fancy dress balls, they would have beauty contests. Yeah. And it was always just the same small group of people. Of course, I think maybe we’re onto something.
Robin Hutson 33:21
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Lynn Lyons 33:26
And thanks for joining us for another episode of Flusterclux.
Robin Hutson 33:36
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